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Jean's not happening
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Yet again scenes of carnage and loss in Iraq are splashed across our TV screens. As I watch I feel disgusted by the cynical attitude and opportunism of charities and so-called humanitarian groups. Many of the wounded civilians are drummed up by outfits like Amn*sty, who basically would not exist without suffering to manipulate the consciences of what one Rolex-wearing ground worker for an ostensibly libertarian charity called ?bleeding heart liberals?. One representative for M******* Sans Frontier actually walked up to one young lad outside a school in Basra and poked him in the eye with a stick, then bundled him into the back of an ambulance claiming he?d been caught by shrapnel. This image on the TV earned that charity five million euros in donations. It is not unheard of for L*berty to shoot civilians when they know that a film crew is in the area. And workers for the R*d Crescent are notorious for taking pot shots into crowded market places with mortars and then ?blue-lighting? to the incidents they have created, thus swelling their coffers when the event is broadcast into homes around the world.
And so-called ?terrorist? attacks on ex-pats working in the Gulf being blamed on Islamic fundamentalists. How many of these terrorists have faced trial and been truly identified? Is it simply coincidence that Amn*sty are known to have bulk purchased sun beds and tea towels? I think not. |
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Themagicbanjo
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And what are your sources for the claims you make...?
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Murphy
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| Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2004 16:37 Post subject: |
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1) Back something up. Give us independent sources that we can verify what you've said at. Until you do that, what you've said is meaningless.
2) There's nothing wrong with typing out the names of Amnesty International, Medicin Sans Frontiers, Red Crescent, or any other organization.
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Dogmanstar
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| Posted: Sat Jun 05, 2004 11:24 Post subject: Liberalism Inc |
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Wake up people!
It's time to shed your naivety.
I hope you'll understand if some of the names/locations in the below account have been changed to protect the parties involved.
From 1998 to 2003 I was employed in a little known section of a well known humanitarian charity, known colloquially as "Department 101." The activities of this unit would be familiar to any ex-CIA operatives amongst you. In other words we were engaged in what's known in the business as "black ops."
The whole sorry tale started with a meeting with the charity's "finance director" in February of 98. I'd just left the armed forces. You'll understand if I don't divulge my exact unit, lets just say we were involved in "psy ops." From there I moved into freelance bodyguarding work, looking after Bob Carolgees and Spit the dog, after they made an ill-conceived joke about Osama Bin Laden, during one of their stand up shows at the Bradford Alhambra theatre. It was then that I was approached by the previously mentioned director who told me he thought they might be able to put my peculiar talents to use in the "fundraising department."
He explained the charity's funds had been running a little low and that they needed to "stir things up...." Two weeks later I arrived in southern Serbia concealed inside a shipment of blankets and children's toys. I can't disclose the exact details of our activities there, as some of my ex-colleagues are still on live ops. Suffice it to say we were successful. in early 1999, the NATO bombing of Serbia began. Simple, but brutal. Bombing = Casualties = Distressing images on your TV = Charity donations. My employers' coffers were overflowing!
From there it was one job after another. Through Afghanistan and Iraq to Saudi Arabia. We were good, very good.
The end for me came in December 2003. I was photographed leaving the back door of a safe house in Bam, Iran, two days before the earthquake struck (coincidence?)
I think my employers were looking to burn me, I knew too much.
I'm now on the run as there's a hunter killer team from Oxfam after me.
This morning the "finance director" was found decapitated in his bathroom. The police say it was a shaving accident, but I have my suspicions. Can anyone help? |
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nukelavee
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that was funny.
the first post was worthy of kathaksung.
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| Posted: Sat Jun 05, 2004 17:34 Post subject: |
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I was thinking along the same lines.
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| Posted: Sat Jun 05, 2004 19:20 Post subject: Re: Liberalism Inc |
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| Dogmanstar wrote: | Wake up people!
It's time to shed your naivety.
I hope you'll understand if some of the names/locations in the below account have been changed to protect the parties involved.
From 1998 to 2003 I was employed in a little known section of a well known humanitarian charity, known colloquially as "Department 101." The activities of this unit would be familiar to any ex-CIA operatives amongst you. In other words we were engaged in what's known in the business as "black ops."
The whole sorry tale started with a meeting with the charity's "finance director" in February of 98. I'd just left the armed forces. You'll understand if I don't divulge my exact unit, lets just say we were involved in "psy ops." From there I moved into freelance bodyguarding work, looking after Bob Carolgees and Spit the dog, after they made an ill-conceived joke about Osama Bin Laden, during one of their stand up shows at the Bradford Alhambra theatre. It was then that I was approached by the previously mentioned director who told me he thought they might be able to put my peculiar talents to use in the "fundraising department."
He explained the charity's funds had been running a little low and that they needed to "stir things up...." Two weeks later I arrived in southern Serbia concealed inside a shipment of blankets and children's toys. I can't disclose the exact details of our activities there, as some of my ex-colleagues are still on live ops. Suffice it to say we were successful. in early 1999, the NATO bombing of Serbia began. Simple, but brutal. Bombing = Casualties = Distressing images on your TV = Charity donations. My employers' coffers were overflowing!
From there it was one job after another. Through Afghanistan and Iraq to Saudi Arabia. We were good, very good.
The end for me came in December 2003. I was photographed leaving the back door of a safe house in Bam, Iran, two days before the earthquake struck (coincidence?)
I think my employers were looking to burn me, I knew too much.
I'm now on the run as there's a hunter killer team from Oxfam after me.
This morning the "finance director" was found decapitated in his bathroom. The police say it was a shaving accident, but I have my suspicions. Can anyone help? |
...what are you, Governor Arnie?
Just so you know, the boards of Rum and Monkey have been reported to the FBI for hate crimes. You should probably stay off as much as possible.
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Jean's not happening
Mangina.
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| Themagicbanjo wrote: | | And what are your sources for the claims you make...? |
In October 2003 UN advisors began investigations into the activities of ostensibly charitable/humanitarian organizations in Iraq following complaints from the family of a man from Baghdad who had been photographed scrabbling in the dirt searching for his false teeth and lost dignity. The images had been taken by a Swedish freelance photographer and were subsequently used by Amn*sty in an Australian campaign. An American soldier who was assisting the man was seen stood by with his rifle seemingly trained on the Iraqi?s head. The image where the Squaddie discovered the teeth and was handing them to a now smiling ? albeit gummily ? Iraqi was not used.
UN investigator Jean Pierre Gatin reported back to the UN in March 2004 that, ?exploitation by libertarian organizations of Iraqi civilians for political and financial ends [was] widespread.? Gatin furthermore cited a Western news source who admitted that collusion between the media and humanitarian charities was now on a professional basis. The source (Tom Fischer), who has since been transferred from overseas events coverage and now reads the regional news in Minnesota, said that the two worked hand in hand, and manipulation of events to achieve a desired moral and political bias was policy. Gatin concluded: ?Liberal and humanitarian agencies are taking an opportunistic approach to events, and in some instances even fuelling discontent for their own ends.?
Since the start of the war profits ? sorry, donations ? of/to libertarian organizations have risen by 253% (cf. European Union). However, this upsurge in morally motivated financial masochism is slightly distorted as it also coincides with the release of a Billy Bragg retrospective box set.
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Berserk Sushi
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Yay, another kathaksung.
Though, I somewhat doubt the forum will have the pages of patience we had with him, now. Can you provide sources for any of this?
Newspapers? Online articles? Documentation of any sort? Anything substantial?
If not, go away.
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Kat tried harder.
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The Safe House
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They are toying with your minds people..
It's irony....humour...whatever you want to call it....
You must be so far deep inside your spunk encrusted sheets with your PC's at your bedside not to notice..
Fancy asking for proof that someone bodyguarded Bob Carolgees and 'Spit' the Dog, for Christ's sake..
what next, will you be asking for pictures from the Arizona desert when they tell you they faked the Apollo Moon Landings..
Get out there..into the world...there's cars, motorbikes, even girls!!!
Amazed at your naivety....
From your ever faithful friend...
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Er... another fast one.
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Murphy
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| Jean's not happening wrote: | | Themagicbanjo wrote: | | And what are your sources for the claims you make...? |
In October 2003 UN advisors began investigations into the activities of ostensibly charitable/humanitarian organizations in Iraq following complaints from the family of a man from Baghdad who had been photographed scrabbling in the dirt searching for his false teeth and lost dignity. The images had been taken by a Swedish freelance photographer and were subsequently used by Amn*sty in an Australian campaign. An American soldier who was assisting the man was seen stood by with his rifle seemingly trained on the Iraqi?s head. The image where the Squaddie discovered the teeth and was handing them to a now smiling ? albeit gummily ? Iraqi was not used.
UN investigator Jean Pierre Gatin reported back to the UN in March 2004 that, ?exploitation by libertarian organizations of Iraqi civilians for political and financial ends [was] widespread.? Gatin furthermore cited a Western news source who admitted that collusion between the media and humanitarian charities was now on a professional basis. The source (Tom Fischer), who has since been transferred from overseas events coverage and now reads the regional news in Minnesota, said that the two worked hand in hand, and manipulation of events to achieve a desired moral and political bias was policy. Gatin concluded: ?Liberal and humanitarian agencies are taking an opportunistic approach to events, and in some instances even fuelling discontent for their own ends.?
Since the start of the war profits ? sorry, donations ? of/to libertarian organizations have risen by 253% (cf. European Union). However, this upsurge in morally motivated financial masochism is slightly distorted as it also coincides with the release of a Billy Bragg retrospective box set. |
You're evidently unable to understand the word "sources".
These are things that say what you're saying, but are substatiated in other places by other people from reliable places that don't depend on what you say. Independent things that we can look up and say "oh, well yes. Someone else said it."
They are citations. They are not you saying that someone else said something.
Until you provide something like that, everything you're saying is essentially meaningless and useless.
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Safe House old bean, you've been warned about being insulting before; I really do suggest you stop it.
Jean, hurry up and provide sources or I'm moving this to Spleen. Since I'm fairly fully certain the quotations you've provided thus far are made up, (and since I don't think Mr. Gatin even exists,) this is heading there pretty sharpish, I'd wager.
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Jean's not happening
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| Schmitt. wrote: | | Safe House old bean, you've been warned about being insulting before; I really do suggest you stop it. |
Freedom of speech - you wouldn't get that in South America.
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Murphy
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| Quote: | | Freedom of speech - you wouldn't get that in South America. |
However, this is a privately run forum, and the owners of the forum thereby get to say what's allowable on their website. It's called the Terms and Conditions of Use. Because this is a private enterprise, freedom of speech does not apply.
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Jean's not happening
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| Murphy wrote: | You're evidently unable to understand the word "sources".
These are things that say what you're saying, but are substatiated in other places by other people from reliable places that don't depend on what you say. Independent things that we can look up and say "oh, well yes. Someone else said it."
They are citations. They are not you saying that someone else said something.
Until you provide something like that, everything you're saying is essentially meaningless and useless. |
Nah then, cocker.
With 4.24 posts of interminable length to your name each day you?re evidently unable to understand the concept of ?work?.
I looked ?substatiated? up in the OED to no gain. I?ve gone on to assume ? ass of you and me, and all that, but an inquisitive mind will be what it will be ? that you intended to spell the word ?substantiated?, and so I?ve grappled with your statement: ?Substantiated in other places by other people from reliable places that don?t depend on what you say.? Hmmm. Not the most attractive sentence I?ve ever considered (Myra Hindley?s was much better), but? ?Reliable places?. Poser there, methinks. OK, we?ve ruled the BBC out (topic: ?bias in the press?), most of the daily UK newspapers, the wireless, the government? So where are these ?reliable places?, love? A Marilyn Manson interview and some Star Trek web site? An Amn*sty International poster? A tale told on Daddy?s knee?? As Lionel Blair once cried out to Liza Goddard: ?Give us a clue!?
?Everything you're saying is essentially meaningless and useless?. On who?s judgement? Yours? Sorry, sunshine, but I don?t accept your opinion as anymore than that. An opinion. Though it seems, by the nature of your statements, you align yourself to some kind of majority and seem to attach real weight to what you say. An invidious position to adopt if you?re aiming for individualism. However, you are evidently unable to grasp the concepts of analogy or irony.
You?re not American by any chance, are you?
Hey, don?t feel too bad about it. I was like that after my first pint.
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Murphy
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Hi personal insults. Good debate strategy.
| Quote: | | I looked �substatiated� up in the OED to no gain. I�ve gone on to assume � ass of you and me, and all that, but an inquisitive mind will be what it will be � that you intended to spell the word �substantiated�, a |
They're called typos. It happens. It's also a trivial and irrelevant attack.
| Quote: | | Not the most attractive sentence I�ve ever considered |
It was also typed on a kiosk after I'd spent 4 hours reading over articles. And again, irrelevant. If it's unclear to you, ask.
| Quote: | | So where are these �reliable places� |
Well, to start...let's say any secondary source.
| Quote: | | On who�s judgement? |
Anyone's really.
Which is what I'm going to take your posts as, as you can't back them up
| Quote: | | Though it seems, by the nature of your statements, you align yourself to some kind of majority and seem to attach real weight to what you say. |
How do you mean? In that the majority of people here want secondary sources?
| Quote: | | An invidious position to adopt if you�re aiming for individualism. |
Who ever said that was my goal, just for the sake of argument?
| Quote: | | However, you are evidently unable to grasp the concepts of analogy or irony. |
Heh. Yeah. That's it.
Oh, and...
| Quote: | | With 4.24 posts of interminable length to your name each day you�re evidently unable to understand the concept of �work�. |
I'd like to know how you mean that. I'll take it as "I should do my own research". In that case, no. You're the one making the claims, you support them.
Until then, do try to add something to the debate around here, rather than the out-and-out trolling.
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first of all, what is this doing in llama dome? as it is clearly spleen.
| Jean's not happening wrote: | | Reliable places?. Poser there, methinks. OK, we?ve ruled the BBC out (topic: ?bias in the press?), most of the daily UK newspapers, the wireless, the government? So where are these ?reliable places?, love? A Marilyn Manson interview and some Star Trek web site? An Amn*sty International poster? A tale told on Daddy?s knee?? As Lionel Blair once cried out to Liza Goddard: ?Give us a clue!? |
if i may butt in here, the sources you've listed are all perfectly acceptable, but the catch is that you have to actually cite them before we can believe you. if you got all that from a tale told on daddy's knee, that's fine, just say it, and we'll decide whether or not it is reliable. but please- you seem to want to make a point, so you might as well try to make it believable.
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| reubenshapcott wrote: | | first of all, what is this doing in llama dome? as it is clearly spleen. |
Even some things are not fit for Spleen.
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reubenshapcott
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there should be a new forum: "rants that no one should bother to read."
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| nick guessed it |
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Lord. This is what happens when you allow Englishmen to believe that they're real people.
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this is what happens when englishmen don't have it drilled into their brains in high school that plagerism and making things up is bad.
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The Safe House
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Plagues etc...
Oh yes..that's History......H I S T O R Y..
The stuff that goes back more that a couple of hundred years...
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