Teaching college students to speak well: Racist?

[Hope]

Ummmm I clicked "Yes" but that's only because I thought the question said "Should they be marked down"- im really sorry I wont let that happen again I just thought I should make it known that the poll is now skewed.

[cin-cin]

umm since we are in the education room.......what's vernacular?

[Poach]

ver?nac?u?lar (ver-nak-ye-ler)

noun.

1. The standard native language of a country or locality.
2. a. The everyday language spoken by a people as distinguished from the literary language. See Synonyms at dialect. b. A variety of such everyday language specific to a social group or region: the vernaculars of New York City.
3. The idiom of a particular trade or profession: in the legal vernacular.
4. An idiomatic word, phrase, or expression.
5. The common, nonscientific name of a plant or animal.

adj.

1. Native to or commonly spoken by the members of a particular country or region.
2. Using the native language of a region, especially as distinct from the literary language: a vernacular poet.
3. Relating to or expressed in the native language or dialect.
4. Of or being an indigenous building style using local materials and traditional methods of construction and ornament, especially as distinguished from academic or historical architectural styles.
5. Occurring or existing in a particular locality; endemic: a vernacular disease.
6. Relating to or designating the common, nonscientific name of a plant or animal.

[cin-cin]

k thank you poachmeister

[Mars]

Teaching kids to speak "Well" actually is racists. Since languages are subjective, speaking "Well" is the english decided on by those of English blood.

However, one can look at it in one of two ways. Standard English is the language of the nation agreed upon by the majority. To live here and to have the ability to communicate with others in that nation, you need to learn the language properly. Or, Standard English is the language of the Anglecians, not of the nation per se. Forcing a person to speak like them who is not Angleician is racist.

Languages change with time. Remember that America is a nation of immigrants. It isn't your country it's our country. Everyone in it is a part of the nation and shouldn't have to really conform to the Puritian ways.

[R]

People should be taught SAE, but not at the detriment of their dialect. It is possible to know both and style-shift when necessary.

[CD]

look at newscasters in any area, you'll notice a minimization of local accents as to make the newscaster easily understood to all. This is also the reason that for the vast majority of movies, actors adopt a "west coast" accent. In conclusion, your teacher is correct, ask shouldn't be pronounced as axe, they are different words meaning different things.

[munkiboi]

this is how our language evolves, we don't "Ye" and "Thee" or "Verily" any more, do we?

[munkiboi]

The United States is (as of 2004) the home of approximately 336 languages (spoken or signed) of which 176 are indigenous to the area. 52 languages formerly spoken in the US territory are now extinct (Grimes 2000).


Official language status

The United States does not have an official language; nevertheless, American English (referred to in the US as simply English) is the language used for legislation, regulations, executive orders, treaties, federal court rulings, and all other official pronouncements. Many individual states have adopted English as their official language, and several states and territories are officially bilingual:

* Louisiana (English and French),
* New Mexico (English and Spanish),
* Hawaii (Hawaiian English and Hawaiian),
* Puerto Rico (Spanish and English),
* Guam (Chamorro and English),
* American Samoa (Samoan and English);

and one is officially trilingual:

* Northern Mariana Islands (English, Chamorro, and Carolinian).

Until the 1950s, Pennsylvania was officially bilingual in English and German.

Native American languages are official or co-official on many of the US Indian reservations and Pueblos.

In 2000, the census bureau printed the standard census questionnaires in six languages: English, Spanish, Korean, Mandarin (in traditional Chinese characters), Vietnamese, and Tagalog. The English-Only movement seeks to establish English as the only official language of the entire nation.


which just go's to show that trying to get everyone to speak the same way would be nearly immpossible and it would be paternalistic (Racsist?) to try.

[mim]

Except that wanting people to speak in an educated manner using the correct grammar for whatever language they're speaking has fuck-all to do with race.

The bastardization of an existing language due to a lack of education does not a legitimate language make.

This topic pisses me off and I knew better than to click on it. I will now go back to pretending it doesn't exist.